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Adolf Trump: 'Why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?'…

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-why-was-there-the-civil-war
Trump Takes Latest Stab At Historical Analysis: ‘Why Was There The Civil War?’ – Talking Points Memo

President Donald Trump on Monday questioned why the Civil War occurred: “Why could that one not have been worked out?”

In an interview with Washington Examiner reporter Salena Zito on SiriusXM show “Main Street Meets the Beltway,” Trump compared his campaign and election victory — now over for more than six months — to those of Andrew Jackson, an analogy Trump has courted since his inauguration.

“They said my campaign is most like, my campaign and win, was most like Andrew Jackson,” Trump said. “I said, ‘When was Andrew Jackson?’ It was 1828. That’s a long time ago.”

The comparison might be less apt than Trump would like. Before Jackson was elected president, he killed a man he accused of insulting his wife in a duel.

Trump appeared to praise Jackson, a slaveholder who was accused of slave trading and who owned approximately 150 people at the time of his death, as a “swashbuckler.”

“Had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn’t have had the Civil War,” Trump said. “He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart.” (Jackson engineered the deaths of thousands of Native Americans while he was in office.)

“He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, ‘There’s no reason for this,'” Trump continued. “People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”

In fact, Jackson died in 1845, long before the Civil War began in 1861, when seven southern slave states seceded after President Abraham Lincoln won election on a platform opposing the expansion of slavery into the territories. A total of 11 states eventually formed the Confederate States of America.

Trump’s last unsuccessful foray into the history of slavery in the United States fell flat when he described 19th-century black abolitionist leader, social reformer and writer Frederick Douglass as “somebody who has done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.”



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  • b'mer...b'mer... Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • 1CK1S1CK1S Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't know how he still has supporters SoILZYf.png
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  • 313 wayz313 wayz Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too bad Trump wasn't there to do the Art of the Deal. So much easier than repealing Obamacare, implementing his own better Trumpcare and banning immigrants, learning the Constitution, etc. etc.
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  • naledgestatenaledgestate Posts: 459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    “He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, ‘There’s no reason for this,'” Trump continued. “People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”

    Translation: "Why couldn't they work out a deal to preserve slavery and avoid the civil war?"

    You pretty much nailed it.

    He stopped short of saying that, but I have a feeling thats exactly what he was thinking especially when you consider him throwing Andrew Jackson's name around.
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  • farris2k1farris2k1 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Copper wrote: »
    Outside of bullshitting people exactly what qualities or knowledge does this sloppy fuck posses that makes him good to lead a country?

    Angela Merkel had to tell him eleven times he couldn't do a trade deal with Germany bc they were part of the EU...he didnt understand.

    Someone had to explain to him the north and south korea situation

    He doesnt even understand the checks and balances of our govt.

    I can see trump being the beginning of the end of american dominance.

    "We're tired of the same old shit!" we need an outsider!" "Trump is a great businessman!" Shit from stupid ass trump supporters during his campaign
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  • stringer bellstringer bell Posts: 26,212 ✭✭✭✭✭


    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/05/cnn-conservative-stop-making-civil-war-all
    Conservative CNN Panelist Whines About 'Race Card Being Thrown Around' Over Civil War

    Conservative CNN pundit Ben Ferguson lost his temper with Bakari Sellers for relating the issue of slavery to the Civil War, yelling, "People are getting sick and tired of the race card being thrown around."

    This left Sellers stunned. Bakari never called Trump, Ferguson or conservatives racists over Trump's asinine comments, but the mention of any type of race relations is now throwing conservatives into a deep funk.

    This began as a typical CNN panel debate over something moronic Trump said either in an interview or on Twitter.

    This time is was during an interview with the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito where he said, "had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War."

    In response to Trump claiming Andrew Jackson could have stopped the civil war, CNN's Ben Ferguson tried to unpackage what Trump actually meant, as do most Trump surrogates or apologists.

    Ferguson said that the media was overreacting to what Trump had said, and then backed up Trump's claims by alleging Jackson understood how brutal war is and that Trump admires the man for hating elites.

    "He liked giving power back to the people. He sees a lot of similarities between his presidential campaign and also the other campaign as well, so i think this has been taken out of context in a major way," Ferguson said.

    Bakari Sellers would have none of it and replied, '[Trump] says something outlandish or in this case, very ignorant and friends of mine like Ben Ferguson have to clean it up and spin it the best possible way."


    CNN host asked, "Why do you say ignorance?"

    Sellers explained that it was "historically ignorant," because Jackson committed genocide on the American Indians and was a slave owner himself, we know why the war was fought. "For Donald Trump to ask himself why was the Civil War fought is historically ignorant you're entitled to your own opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts. That's my problem with this revisionist whitewash of history."

    This infuriated Ferguson, who said, "People are getting sick and tired of the race card being thrown around. When you have a president that's looking back historically at an individual that understood exactly how brutal war was."

    Then the CNN conservative went off the deep end trying to rewrite history and say there were many other factors that created the Civil war other than slavery.

    Bakari had enough. (rough transcript ahead)

    Sellers: Why was the civil war fought?

    Ferguson: I think you know this and I know this A large part of it was slavery. There was also large parts -"


    Sellers: There are no two ways to look at his.

    Ferguson: You said facts matter!"

    Sellers: You cannot say this is an economic matter because do you know what the economics of that time were? Slavery.

    No one is playing the race card when we're talking about the civil war. Point, blank, period. The fact is if Donald Trump wants to postulate why was the Civil war fought, the answer is slavery. Move forward.

    Ferguson: Bakari, you're being ignorant to history if you think the civil war, go back and look at any history book was solely about slavery. It was not solely about slavery and if you actually look at history instead of just throwing race out there on every single thing when it comes to Civil war, you'd have a better understanding."

    Sellers: I actually was a history major, Ben.

    Ferguson: You weren't paying good attention.

    Sellers: This is absurd.

    Ferguson: It's not absurd. It's absurd to imply that the Civil war exclusively about slavery. The entire thing was not slavery.

    OK, children. From now on, the Civil war wasn't mostly about slavery, got it?

    Watch out Jeffrey Lord, somebody wants to steal your mantle of being the biggest jackass on CNN and television over the history of race relations in America.

    Editor's note: The Civil War was entirely about slavery. This is a whitewash conservatives and bigots put on it to deny their racism and pretend they are victims of a 'race card.'
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  • b'mer...b'mer... Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WTF does Andrew Jackson have to do with the civil war?
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  • Inglewood_BInglewood_B Woodz of Inglez Posts: 12,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's one thing to not know shit... but he one of them aggressively stupid people. Almost like he say retarded shit on purpose
    Quick wit the hands... Readdyyyyyy
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  • marc123marc123 Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trump reppin for all the retards world wide
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  • marc123marc123 Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    b'mer... wrote: »
    WTF does Andrew Jackson have to do with the civil war?

    he doesn't kno.

    jus like @Sandinista said Trump NO BULLSHIT, prolly jus over heard someone mention Andrew Jackson. so now he is trying to impress ppl with his knowledge of American history.

    Dude is a functional retard.
    Young Stefa.mann
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